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- Oregon Wins Blue Ribbon for Unfounded Optimism; Everything "Weaker than Expected"
- Greece Enters Death Spiral
- Why Is Bad Advice So Common?
- The Question "Are Stocks a Screaming Buy Relative to Bonds?" Creates False Premises
Oregon Wins Blue Ribbon for Unfounded Optimism; Everything "Weaker than Expected" Posted: 18 Aug 2010 08:27 PM PDT I have been wondering how long it would take for a state to proclaim everything is weaker than expected. Today the state of Oregon has the dubious honor of being first. OregonLive reports With projected revenues dropping by as much as $1 billion, Oregon leaders debate what to do Oregon's state budget picture is bleaker than previously thought, with revenues down by as much as $1 billion since the Legislature wrote the current, $14 billion two-year spending plan.Overoptimism Oregon Style In July of 2009 state revenue projections were $222.8 million to the plus side. Now just one year later, smack in the midst of a "recovery", a $577.2 million June 2010 deficit is too optimistic by as much as another $500 million. Congratulations of sorts go to Oregon for winning the blue ribbon for unfounded optimism. Oregon has already cut state spending by 9%. Another 9% may be on the way. Mike "Mish" Shedlock http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com Click Here To Scroll Thru My Recent Post List |
Posted: 18 Aug 2010 02:15 PM PDT Spiegel Online International reports Tensions Rise in Greece as Austerity Measures Backfire The austerity measures that were supposed to fix Greece's problems are dragging down the country's economy. Stores are closing, tax revenues are falling and unemployment has hit an unbelievable 70 percent in some places. Frustrated workers are threatening to strike back.How Long Can Greece Hold On? Inquiring minds just might be asking "How long can Greece hold on?" I do not have the answer to that, besides it's not the important question. A far more worrisome question is "When does similar strife spread to Spain, Portugal, and perhaps even Italy?" Part of the blame for this goes to the bailout plan itself. France and to a lesser extent Germany would not take haircuts on Greek debt. Aid to Greece by the IMF and European banks simply threw good money after bad. The problem did not go away. Instead, terms of the bailout made the situation worse. Mike "Mish" Shedlock http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com Click Here To Scroll Thru My Recent Post List |
Posted: 18 Aug 2010 11:12 AM PDT In response to the question "Are Stocks a Screaming Buy Relative to Bonds?" I received many comments that I would like to share. On False Premises My friend Rich replies .... Hello MishIndeed. I have commented on this before. Wall Street does not generally get paid on funds sitting in cash. The second money comes in it is "put to work" earning fees, regardless of the risk-reward setup for the client. Conflicts of Interest in "Stay the Course" Advice Here is a snip from Long Term Buy And Hold Is Still Bad Advice Clearly, stay the course is bad advice. So why is it so common? A personal anecdote might help explain things: In January of this year, an investment advisor from Wachovia Securities called me up and stated "Mish, I am sitting on millions because I see nothing I like". I told the person I did not like much either and that Sitka Pacific was heavily in cash and or hedged. His response was "Well, I do not get paid anything if my clients are sitting in cash".By the way, that person at Wachovia mentioned above did the right thing. He did not see investment opportunities he liked, so he kept client funds in cash. Such action is certainly is not the norm. Discrediting the Fed Model "VegasBob" writes ... One point Mish alluded to but didn't explicitly state is that John Hussman has thoroughly discredited the 'Fed Model' that is used as a stock valuation metric.I posted a link to the Hussman reference in my original post. Here it is again: Long Term Evidence on the Fed Model and Forward Operating P/E Ratios. In recent years, price/earnings ratios based on "forward operating earnings" have been embraced by Wall Street as a replacement for valuations based on trailing net earnings. The beliefs of investors about what represents a "normal" P/E, however, have not changed – despite the change in the earnings measure being used. Meanwhile, the Fed Model – the notion that the earnings yield of the S&P 500 (based on forward operating earnings) should be equal to the 10-year Treasury bond yield, has been embraced as a simple and reliable method of valuing stocks."Likely Disastrous" Hussman's August 20, 2007 statement "these beliefs will likely prove disastrous for investors" was right on the mark. My friend "HB" writes ... The Fed's 'stock market valuation model was a brainchild of the dot-com mania. It has been the funeral rite for many an unwisely invested dollar.Another friend writes ... Yardeni has been saying stocks are cheap relative to bonds for the last 8-9 years, since shortly after the tech bubble burst. By the same token, stocks were cheap in Japan from the mid-1990's onward. Such analysis clearly shows the limitation of valuation studies without an understanding of market cycles. Like the saying goes, "what is cheap can always become cheaper."Deja Vue All Over Again As Yogi Berra said "This is like deja vu all over again" with the same tired, disproved, "stocks are cheap" arguments. The worst part is investors are bombarded with such nonsense, fresh on the heels of a 80% runup in stock prices, in other words, at precisely the worst time. Mike "Mish" Shedlock http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com Click Here To Scroll Thru My Recent Post List |
The Question "Are Stocks a Screaming Buy Relative to Bonds?" Creates False Premises Posted: 18 Aug 2010 08:57 AM PDT Josh Lipton writing for Minyanville is asking the question Are Stocks a Screaming Buy Relative to Bonds? Dr. Ed Yardeni of Yardeni Research takes one side of the debate and says "stocks are cheap" according to a model, now dubbed the "Fed's Stock Valuation Model". I am quoted in the article, taking a different view of course, but I want to add to the thoughts I expressed in the article. First a few snips from Lipton's article ... Certainly, by employing some basic measures to compare the relative value of stocks and bonds, equities appear attractive. Dr. Ed Yardeni of Yardeni Research made the case this morning that stocks seem cheap and bonds seem expensive according to a simple model that compares the market's earnings yield to the US Treasury bond yield.Relative Valuation Comparisons are Problematic The question "Are stocks cheap compared to bonds?" is pretty much like asking "Are rubber bands cheap compared to oranges?" When both stocks and bonds are unattractive, assuming one has to choose between those classes is tantamount to asking "Would you rather risk losing an arm or a leg?" The correct answer to that last question is "Why risk either?" False Premise Thus, right off the bat, the initial question implies a false premise "Should one be in stocks or Bonds?" Why does it have to be either? Relative valuation comparisons can get one in all kinds of trouble. Both asset classes may be overvalued or undervalued. Indeed, If stocks and bonds are richly priced, perhaps one should be in gold, commodities, currencies, cash, or hedged in some fashion. There is absolutely nothing wrong with sitting on the sidelines. Forward Earnings Estimates Persistently Optimistic For 25 Years A a McKinsey Quarterly report Equity analysts: Still too bullish No executive would dispute that analysts' forecasts serve as an important benchmark of the current and future health of companies. To better understand their accuracy, we undertook research nearly a decade ago that produced sobering results. Analysts, we found, were typically overoptimistic, slow to revise their forecasts to reflect new economic conditions, and prone to making increasingly inaccurate forecasts when economic growth declined.Market Valuations and Earnings Estimates John Hussman discussed earnings estimates on July 12, 2010 in Misallocating Resources On a valuation basis, the S&P 500 remains about 40% above historical norms on the basis of normalized earnings. The disparity between our valuation assessment and the putative undervaluation being touted by Wall Street analysts is so great that a few remarks are in order. First, virtually every assessment that "stocks are cheap" here is based on the ratio of the S&P 500 to year-ahead operating earnings estimates, and often comes with a comparison of the resulting "earnings yield" with the depressed 10-year Treasury yield. What's fascinating about this is that this is the same basis on which analysts deemed stocks to be about 40% undervalued just prior to the 2007 top, following which the market plunged by more than half. There's a great deal of analysis regarding forward operating earnings that I published in 2007, but probably the most comprehensive piece was Long Term Evidence on the Fed Model and Forward Operating P/E Ratios from August 20, 2007.For still more on earnings estimates please see Five Reasons for Nonsensical Forward Earnings Estimates A forward P/E estimate of 11.8 for the S&P 500 is quite simply preposterous. Risk Analysis A comparison of stock dividend yields (or earnings estimates) to bond yields fails on risk analysis. Sure you can find stocks yielding higher dividends than yields on US treasuries. However, yields in treasuries held to term are 100% guaranteed. Stock performance is not, nor are earnings estimates as noted above. The 2.6% dividend yield on IBM vs. a 1% yield on the IBM 3-year bond or .75% on the 3-year treasury is not enough to cover the risk of an equity price collapse. A "value" stock like IBM can easily drop 25% or more in the next three years regardless of its reported PE of 12. click on chart for sharper image Correlation among stocks is a high as it has ever been and it is a huge mistake to think that a low PE will protect value stocks in case of a significant tumble in the stock market. IBM's low PE did not stop it from plunging in 2008, why would it do so in 2010 or 2011? Bear in mind I am not making a case for IBM bonds at 1%, I am merely making a case that the Fed model ignores risk. Currently equities in general face significant risks of a double dip recession, an earnings scare, a stock market crash, or any number of painful happenings. Note that bank stocks crashed in 2008 and early 2009. They were considered "value" stocks every step of the way down because they had low PEs and respectable dividends. What happened? Earnings vanished, dividends were cut, and the stocks collapsed. Saying stocks are cheap after an 80% straight up run, on the basis of presumed forward earnings estimates without taking into consideration many other risk factors is lame. Rolling The Dice On Stocks Just because stocks are overvalued by 40% does not mean they won't go up. Indeed they certainly can. Moreover, (and this is an important point) it will not make any of the bears wrong if they do. Things happen against the odds all the time. Say you walk into a casino, go up to the craps table, place a bet, are handed the dice and roll a 4. You will lose your bet unless you roll a 4 before you roll a 7. Can you win? Sure you can, but the odds of it happening are only 33.33%. Likewise, stocks might go up, but that does not make them a good bet. Fed's Stock Valuation Mode Fatally Flawed
Quite frankly, that is a lot of mistakes and mistakes are just what one would expect when comparing rubber bands to oranges in an attempt to figure out which one is cheaper. Even IF rubber bands are cheaper than oranges, the correct thing may be to buy neither. The same holds true for stocks and bonds. I see no reason to be net long stocks here regardless of how cheap they look compared to bonds. Of course the main problem is stocks are not cheap in the first place, only careless analysis makes it seem so. On False Premises My friend Rich replies .... Hello MishIndeed. I have commented on this before. Wall Street does not generally get paid on funds sitting in cash. The second money comes in it is "put to work" earning fees, regardless of the risk-reward setup for the client. Conflicts of Interest in "Stay the Course" Advice Here is a snip from Long Term Buy And Hold Is Still Bad Advice Clearly, stay the course is bad advice. So why is it so common? A personal anecdote might help explain things: In January of this year, an investment advisor from Wachovia Securities called me up and stated "Mish, I am sitting on millions because I see nothing I like". I told the person I did not like much either and that Sitka Pacific was heavily in cash and or hedged. His response was "Well, I do not get paid anything if my clients are sitting in cash".By the way, that person at Wachovia mentioned above did the right thing. He did not see investment opportunities he liked, so he kept client funds in cash. Such action is certainly is not the norm. Discrediting the Fed Model "VegasBob" writes ... One point Mish alluded to but didn't explicitly state is that John Hussman has thoroughly discredited the 'Fed Model' that is used as a stock valuation metric.I posted a link to the Hussman above. Here it is again: Long Term Evidence on the Fed Model and Forward Operating P/E Ratios. In recent years, price/earnings ratios based on "forward operating earnings" have been embraced by Wall Street as a replacement for valuations based on trailing net earnings. The beliefs of investors about what represents a "normal" P/E, however, have not changed – despite the change in the earnings measure being used. Meanwhile, the Fed Model – the notion that the earnings yield of the S&P 500 (based on forward operating earnings) should be equal to the 10-year Treasury bond yield, has been embraced as a simple and reliable method of valuing stocks."Likely Disastrous" Hussman's August 20, 2007 statement "these beliefs will likely prove disastrous for investors" was right on the mark. My friend "HB" writes ... The Fed's 'stock market valuation model was a brainchild of the dot-com mania. It has been the funeral rite for many an unwisely invested dollar.Another friend writes ... Yardeni has been saying stocks are cheap relative to bonds for the last 8-9 years, since shortly after the tech bubble burst. By the same token, stocks were cheap in Japan from the mid-1990's onward. Such analysis clearly shows the limitation of valuation studies without an understanding of market cycles. Like the saying goes, "what is cheap can always become cheaper."Deja Vue All Over Again As Yogi Berra said "This is like deja vu all over again" with the same tired, disproved, "stocks are cheap" arguments. The worst part is investors are bombarded with such nonsense, fresh on the heels of a 80% runup in stock prices, in other words, at precisely the worst time. Mike "Mish" Shedlock http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com Click Here To Scroll Thru My Recent Post List |
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